Top Gun: Maverick - The Ultimate Sequel Debate

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HostIs Top Gun: Maverick the ultimate movie sequel? That's the question that sparked a lively debate on Reddit's movies subreddit, drawing over a hundred comments and a lot of strong opinions.

HostThe thread quickly became a battleground of cinematic preferences, with many users simply listing their favorite sequels, but also some sharp disagreements about what makes a follow-up truly great. There's a clear majority who think the title belongs to an older film, but a passionate group argues for Maverick.

Maverick enthusiastHonestly, I don't think anything comes close to Top Gun: Maverick. It's perfectly paced, balancing those emotional beats with action sequences that are just impeccably edited. It's exactly what going to the movies should feel like.

Classic sequel defendersI'm not sure I can agree with that. While Maverick is a good film, it's hard to call it the 'ultimate' when you've got masterpieces like The Empire Strikes Back out there. That's the gold standard for a reason.

Fun but flawed criticIt's a fun movie, I'll give it that, but 'ultimate'? Come on. The plot is just silly if you think about it at all, and it literally rips off the last act of Star Wars. It's not original enough to be ultimate.

Maverick enthusiastBut that's part of its charm! It delivered an exciting, cathartic experience that nobody really expected. Did anyone truly anticipate a Top Gun sequel to be this good after such a long gap? It completely exceeded expectations.

Classic sequel defendersExceeding expectations is one thing, but setting a new bar is another. Terminator 2, for example, didn't just exceed expectations; it evolved the entire genre from horror to action with groundbreaking effects and storytelling. Maverick doesn't quite do that.

Fun but flawed criticExactly. And the 'Death Star trench run' plot in Maverick is just too blatant. It's a clear homage, sure, but it highlights how derivative the story is. It's crafted to push emotional buttons, not to offer depth.

Maverick enthusiastI think it successfully captured the charm and excitement of the first movie, but improved on so many aspects. The final mission run, partially filmed in Washington State, took everything to another level. And the sound design? Oscar-winning for a reason!

Classic sequel defendersBut a truly ultimate sequel often expands its cinematic universe or is even considered better than the original. The Godfather Part II is a prime example; many people think it surpasses the first. Maverick doesn't quite reach that level of impact.

HostThe thread saw a lot of comments simply naming their favorite sequels, with The Empire Strikes Back being the top-voted choice, setting a trend for many replies. But beyond Star Wars, what other films do people put in the 'ultimate sequel' category?

Classic sequel defendersAliens is another one that's frequently lauded. It expanded the world, ramped up the threat, and changed the tone from horror to action while still feeling like a true sequel. That's a difficult feat to pull off.

Classic sequel defendersAnd you can't forget The Dark Knight. It's often mentioned for its cinematic and cultural value, pushing the superhero genre into new territory. Or even something like Paddington 2, which is just a surprisingly beloved and well-crafted follow-up.

Fun but flawed criticThose films have a certain depth or originality that Maverick just doesn't. Maverick's plot has too many holes, like Maverick ejecting at Mach 10 and walking away unscathed. It's just not grounded.

Maverick enthusiastIt's a popcorn flick, and it's a perfect one! It's highly rewatchable and provides an exhilarating theater experience. Some even argue it saved the theatrical industry after COVID shutdowns, proving its broad appeal and cultural significance.

Classic sequel defendersBeing a great popcorn movie doesn't make it the ultimate sequel. Die Hard With A Vengeance, for instance, is a fantastic action sequel that brought McClane home and scaled up the chaos brilliantly. It's pure entertainment, but also a masterclass in pacing and character.

Fun but flawed criticI think people overhype it because of that theater experience. But if you look past the spectacle, the dialogue is often cheesy, and some callbacks to the original overstay their welcome. The 'shirtless not-sex scene' was unintentionally funny, not profound.

Maverick enthusiastBut it leaned into the legendary status of the original cast and characters without 'nerfing' them. It allowed for character growth while maintaining their core identity, which is something many legacy sequels fail to do.

Classic sequel defendersBlade Runner 2049 also stands out for its visual mastery and for standing on its own while improving on the original's themes. That's the kind of ambition and execution that defines an ultimate sequel, not just a fun ride.

HostIt seems there's a bit of frustration in the thread with the perceived over-hyping of Maverick, leading to some dismissive remarks. But what about the views that didn't quite gain traction?

HostA few users felt Top Gun: Maverick was outright bad, or even 'a festering pile of shit.' There were also some comments suggesting it was pro-war propaganda, specifically targeting Iran, and a small number argued the original Top Gun was actually better, citing superior character development.

Fun but flawed criticI wouldn't go as far as 'festering pile of shit,' but I can see why some might feel it's propaganda. It's certainly not a nuanced take on international relations, let's put it that way.

Maverick enthusiastI think that's missing the point entirely. It's an action movie, a celebration of flight and skill, not a political statement. It's about the thrill and the characters, not geopolitics.

HostSo, while there's no single 'ultimate sequel' consensus on Reddit, Top Gun: Maverick is widely acknowledged as a highly enjoyable, well-executed action film, even if it doesn't dethrone the established classics for most. The discussion really highlighted how varied people's criteria are for what makes a sequel truly great.

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